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allirukВчера позже обычного спать лег - попалось в руки вот это чтение - заметки Фионы Хилл и Клиффорда Гэдди о встрече с ВВП в рамках "Валдайского клуба". После прошлый встреч (а их уже, кажется, восемь? прошло) таких текстов не появлялось.
(Только не смотрите пересказ сделанной на этом материале статьи из "Форин полиси" на ИНОсми, - там все самое интересное оборвано на "гидроразрыве пласта" при добыче газа...).
Только несколько кусков текста:
GADDY: ...Andy asked about the reset. He said to Putin that the reset has been more closely associated with President Medvedev than you, and people fear that when you come back, you’re not going to be supporting the reset. What do you think you need you do, Mr. Putin, to prove to people that you support the reset? Putin’s answer was, “I don’t think I need to prove anything to anybody.”
HILL: That really does sum up the entire tone of the dinner. First of all, the fact that he came extraordinarily late, and when he finally did arrive he gave no explanation or obviously no apology. Why would he? He doesn’t have to apologize to anybody for anything.
(ГЭДДИ: Энди спросил о перезагрузке. Он сказал Путину, что перезагрузка скорее ассоциируется с президентом Медведевым, чем с ним, и люди опасаются, что когда он вернется, то не будет поддерживать перезагрузку. "Что Вы планируете сделать, господин Путин, чтобы доказать народу, что Вы поддерживаете перезагрузку?" Путин ответил: "Я не думаю, что я должен кому-то что-то доказывать".
ХИЛЛ: На самом деле это квинтэссенция всего тона ужина. Прежде всего, он прибыл с чрезвычайным опозданием, а когда приехал, то не стал объяснять его причины и тем более извиняться. Зачем? Ему не надо извиняться ни перед кем ни за что).
...
Nikolay Zlobin asked the question about what the system will be like after you. Zlobin said, “We don’t see any new faces. We don’t see any younger faces around you. Are there no younger faces?” That’s when Putin answered, “Oh, you’re wrong. There are younger faces.” Nikolay says —
HILL: “Well, who?”
GADDY: “Medvedev,” says Putin. We were shocked.
HILL: I know. We all stifled a laugh.
GADDY: And then later, Nikolay pushes it further, “So who else?” And again he answered, “Medvedev.”
So he did not even admit that this is an issue that he’s trying to deal with. You’d think he would at least pretend that he recognizes that this is a legitimate concern that people have. He doesn’t even seem to want to try to address those sorts of questions.
(Николай Злобин задал вопрос о том, какую систему он хотел бы оставить после себя. Злобин сказал: "Мы не видим новых лиц. Мы не видим никаких молодых лиц вокруг Вас. Они вообще есть?" Путин ответил: "Вы ошибаетесь. Есть молодые лица", и Николай уточнил -
ХИЛЛ: "И кто это?"
ГЭДДИ: "Медведев", - ответил Путин. Мы были шокированы.
ХИЛЛ: Именно. Мы все подавили смех.
Гэдди: И тут Николай еще надавил: "А кто еще?" И он снова ответил: "Медведев".
То есть он даже не признает, что это проблема, которую ему надо решать. Можно было ожидать, что он хотя бы притворится, что он понимает законное беспокойство людей. Но он, кажется, даже не хочет пытаться отвечать на такие вопросы.)
...
there were rather large placards around the table identifying the participants. They all faced Putin. ... So my observation from this is that here we have a situation where Putin is being passed printed notes that have to be written in large text and he is also unable to read a large placard identifying John Scarlett. So I think Putin may be pretty near- sighted. And he doesn’t wear contact lenses, because, of course, I was sitting so close that I could stare into his eyes see that he was not wearing contact lenses.
Clearly, a man of his vigor and superior physical attributes would not want to be seen wearing glasses. In any case, with all these sports that he partakes in, they are probably not the most practical thing to wear.
...
They told us that Skolkovo was specifically set up to create protection for Russian scientists, and particularly for those Russian
entrepreneurs who need to be given a chance to develop something that is commercially viable but who wouldn’t be able to do it under normal circumstances, because the instant that they came up with something that might be workable, they’d fall prey to organized crime or other unscrupulous business, bureaucrats, or any of the other difficulties that businesses in Russia face. So Skolkovo was literally set up as a protection for scientists and entrepreneurs. They said this quite explicitly.
...
There was no sense of a broader international perspective. For instance, there was talk about Russian’s role as the leader of the BRICS. But there was no real representation from the BRICS; there were no Brazilians, there were no Indians. There were no South Africans and certainly no Mexicans or representatives of other middle income countries. There was a lot of scathing commentary about Turkey, which was a bit surprising. At one point Sergei Karaganov, the Valdai club Russian chairman, made some flippant remark about Turkey being stuck in the 19th century. That showed a complete lack of understanding of the broader dynamic of the rising middle powers, like Turkey and Mexico and others, who will ultimately give Russia a run for its money.
...
(Только не смотрите пересказ сделанной на этом материале статьи из "Форин полиси" на ИНОсми, - там все самое интересное оборвано на "гидроразрыве пласта" при добыче газа...).
Только несколько кусков текста:
GADDY: ...Andy asked about the reset. He said to Putin that the reset has been more closely associated with President Medvedev than you, and people fear that when you come back, you’re not going to be supporting the reset. What do you think you need you do, Mr. Putin, to prove to people that you support the reset? Putin’s answer was, “I don’t think I need to prove anything to anybody.”
HILL: That really does sum up the entire tone of the dinner. First of all, the fact that he came extraordinarily late, and when he finally did arrive he gave no explanation or obviously no apology. Why would he? He doesn’t have to apologize to anybody for anything.
(ГЭДДИ: Энди спросил о перезагрузке. Он сказал Путину, что перезагрузка скорее ассоциируется с президентом Медведевым, чем с ним, и люди опасаются, что когда он вернется, то не будет поддерживать перезагрузку. "Что Вы планируете сделать, господин Путин, чтобы доказать народу, что Вы поддерживаете перезагрузку?" Путин ответил: "Я не думаю, что я должен кому-то что-то доказывать".
ХИЛЛ: На самом деле это квинтэссенция всего тона ужина. Прежде всего, он прибыл с чрезвычайным опозданием, а когда приехал, то не стал объяснять его причины и тем более извиняться. Зачем? Ему не надо извиняться ни перед кем ни за что).
...
Nikolay Zlobin asked the question about what the system will be like after you. Zlobin said, “We don’t see any new faces. We don’t see any younger faces around you. Are there no younger faces?” That’s when Putin answered, “Oh, you’re wrong. There are younger faces.” Nikolay says —
HILL: “Well, who?”
GADDY: “Medvedev,” says Putin. We were shocked.
HILL: I know. We all stifled a laugh.
GADDY: And then later, Nikolay pushes it further, “So who else?” And again he answered, “Medvedev.”
So he did not even admit that this is an issue that he’s trying to deal with. You’d think he would at least pretend that he recognizes that this is a legitimate concern that people have. He doesn’t even seem to want to try to address those sorts of questions.
(Николай Злобин задал вопрос о том, какую систему он хотел бы оставить после себя. Злобин сказал: "Мы не видим новых лиц. Мы не видим никаких молодых лиц вокруг Вас. Они вообще есть?" Путин ответил: "Вы ошибаетесь. Есть молодые лица", и Николай уточнил -
ХИЛЛ: "И кто это?"
ГЭДДИ: "Медведев", - ответил Путин. Мы были шокированы.
ХИЛЛ: Именно. Мы все подавили смех.
Гэдди: И тут Николай еще надавил: "А кто еще?" И он снова ответил: "Медведев".
То есть он даже не признает, что это проблема, которую ему надо решать. Можно было ожидать, что он хотя бы притворится, что он понимает законное беспокойство людей. Но он, кажется, даже не хочет пытаться отвечать на такие вопросы.)
...
there were rather large placards around the table identifying the participants. They all faced Putin. ... So my observation from this is that here we have a situation where Putin is being passed printed notes that have to be written in large text and he is also unable to read a large placard identifying John Scarlett. So I think Putin may be pretty near- sighted. And he doesn’t wear contact lenses, because, of course, I was sitting so close that I could stare into his eyes see that he was not wearing contact lenses.
Clearly, a man of his vigor and superior physical attributes would not want to be seen wearing glasses. In any case, with all these sports that he partakes in, they are probably not the most practical thing to wear.
...
They told us that Skolkovo was specifically set up to create protection for Russian scientists, and particularly for those Russian
entrepreneurs who need to be given a chance to develop something that is commercially viable but who wouldn’t be able to do it under normal circumstances, because the instant that they came up with something that might be workable, they’d fall prey to organized crime or other unscrupulous business, bureaucrats, or any of the other difficulties that businesses in Russia face. So Skolkovo was literally set up as a protection for scientists and entrepreneurs. They said this quite explicitly.
...
There was no sense of a broader international perspective. For instance, there was talk about Russian’s role as the leader of the BRICS. But there was no real representation from the BRICS; there were no Brazilians, there were no Indians. There were no South Africans and certainly no Mexicans or representatives of other middle income countries. There was a lot of scathing commentary about Turkey, which was a bit surprising. At one point Sergei Karaganov, the Valdai club Russian chairman, made some flippant remark about Turkey being stuck in the 19th century. That showed a complete lack of understanding of the broader dynamic of the rising middle powers, like Turkey and Mexico and others, who will ultimately give Russia a run for its money.
...
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